π― Two rooms, two grounds: the voltage between them rides the ch 2 and 20 pairs into the Trident
- noise current
- clean pair
- βtaken out: buzz gone
- βchanged: buzz stayed
- ~changed the level
π‘ Lights raise it. They are not the only source
π§ͺ 22 parts tested, 13 never tested, and most of the building is grey
- β clean
- β still buzzes
- βΌ pull it: silent
- ? never tested
ποΈ Mix room
- Wall panelβ
- Mic cableβ
- Mix Catapultβ
- DPA snakeβ
- Trident stripβ
- Trident power?
- Pro Tools, Antelope?
- Headphones?
π§΅ Between the rooms
- Original Cat6βΌ
- New Cat6β
- Cat6 route?
ποΈ Mic closet
- Closet Catapult to QSCβ
- Ground liftβ
- Ch 2 XLRβΌ
- New XLRβ
- Source direct into GXβ
- Other GX inputs outβ
- GX aux outsβ
- GX power offβ
- SLink outβ
- SQ-7 offβ
- QSC on A&H channelβ
- Body near rackβ
βοΈ Settings
- No mic pluggedβ
- Phantom off, ch 2?
- Gain change, ch 20β
π’ Building
- Lights offβ
- Chassis voltage?
- Outlets, circuit?
- All mains off?
- Modem?
- Lorex cameras?
- Lighting PoE switch?
- HVAC?
- Dante, other network?
π Full test matrix, with test IDs
| Component | Ch 2 | Ch 20 | Control ch 1 / 16 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Microphone present (SM57) | β Buzz with no mic (P8) | β Buzz with no mic (P8, inferred) | Β· NT |
| Mic cable (Mogami) into panel / Catapult | β Clean to Trident (P4) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Live Room wall panel / tie lines | β Clean to Trident and QSC (P5, P6) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Mix-room Catapult | β Clean to Trident (P4, P5), clean to QSC (P14) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| DPA snake, Catapult to Trident (two snakes) | β Clean (P3) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Trident channel strip | β Clean via mix-room path (P1, P3 to P5) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Trident power | Β· Never turned off | Β· Never turned off | Β· Never turned off |
| Original Cat6, mix-room to mic-closet Catapult | βΌ Gone when pulled (P9, T2, T24). Port swap unclear (T15). Pins all green (T18) | βΌ Gone when pulled (T10, T24) | Β· NT |
| Replacement Cat6 run (silver) | β Buzz stays (T30, T31). Gone when pulled (T32) | Β· NT | β Ch 1 clean (T30) |
| Mic-closet Catapult straight to QSC, line level | β Buzz (P15) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Mic-closet Catapult ground lift pushed in | β No change (P10) | Β· NT separately | Β· NT |
| XLR patch, Catapult to GX input | βΌ Gone when pulled (T2/T3, T11), back when replugged (T12). Swapped cable still buzzes (T8) | βΌ Faint buzz left when pulled at either end (T24) | Β· NT |
| GX4816 input fed direct, Catapult bypassed | β Clean (P7, T28) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| GX4816 inputs 1, 3 to 8 unplugged | β No change (T19) | - n/a | - n/a |
| GX4816 aux outputs (PA, IEM, monitors) unplugged | β Changed, never gone, inconsistent (T9) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| GX4816 power off | β Buzz stays (T6, T13, T19) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| SLink, GX to SQ-7, pulled | β Buzz stays (T13, T25). T4 unclear | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| SQ-7 power off | β Buzz stays (T5, T20) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| QSC speaker direct on A&H channel | β Buzz (P13) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Phantom power off on ch 2 | ? Result not stated (T26) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Gain change | Β· NT | β No change (T27) | Β· NT |
| Touch / body position near the rack | β Touch no change (T14). Worse with body near (T21) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Catapult power | - Passive per vendor; staff said PoE | - Same | - Same |
| Catapult bank / route | β Shares a route with clean ch 1 (P12) | β Shares a route with clean ch 16 (P12) | β 1 and 16 clean (P12) |
| Cat6 physical route (under mix room, ceiling) | Β· NT | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Room / outlet / circuit | Β· NT | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Mains all-off test | Β· Planned (T33), not run | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Lighting / dimmers | Β· NT | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| HVAC | Β· NT | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Dante / other network | Β· NT | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| DAW / Antelope converters | Β· NT | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Headphones | Β· NT | Β· NT | Β· NT |
| Hiss (second sound) | - Present apart from the buzz (T11) | Β· NT | Β· NT |
π Something on 2 and 20 turns the voltage into buzz: phantom leads, the GX trails
π Top 10 table, with the driver and paths
| # | ID | Hypothesis | Role | Confidence |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | A1 + A2 | Floating ground potential between the two racks (open IG ground, chassis held by Y-caps) | Driver | High that it exists and contributes; moderate that it is the main driver |
| 2 | C1 | Trident phantom on for 2 / 20 and off for 1 / 16 | Converter | Moderate-low; turns on one unrecorded fact |
| 3 | B12 | Hand-wired screw-terminal terminations on 2 / 20 (Oct 2024 install) | Converter | Low-moderate; terminal location unrecorded |
| 4 | B2 | Mic-closet Catapult position 2 / 20, including its RJ45 jack | Converter | Low-moderate |
| 5 | B3 | Mix-room Catapult position 2 / 20, including its RJ45 jack | Converter | Low-moderate |
| 6 | B4 | Trident input 2 / 20 imbalance | Converter | Low-moderate |
| 7 | A19 / A12 / A11 / A13 | Lighting current or lighting-transformer reference on the grounding system | Lights-dependent share of the driver | Moderate that lighting contributes; low on any one mechanism |
| 8 | A17 | Hear Back hub and NAS on the lighting PoE switch bond the mix-room rack to the lighting ground | Path for the lights share | Low-moderate |
| 9 | B1 | GX input 2 / 20 passive network asymmetry | Converter | Low |
| 10 | A8 / A9 | GX aux-output loads (subs, Furman amp, PSM900s) hold the GX chassis potential | Path | Moderate as a path, low as a cause |
π Loudness check: a 1% phantom-resistor mismatch with 1 V between grounds gives about -83 dBu at the input, easily audible after preamp gain. Nobody has measured the chassis-to-chassis voltage yet (tree step 3).
π³ Test tree: 14 steps, each ends in a named cause
- π Mute the monitors before switching phantom or plugging XLRs
- β Never lift a mains safety ground
- β‘ Any reading above 30 V AC with 10 kΞ© across the leads: stop, call an electrician
π Send me this: 12 items, tick as you go
Ticks stay on this phone. Items 2, 8 and 10 alone cut 48 hypotheses to about five.
π Each step in words: what to measure, how to read it
0Baselineβ±οΈ 3 min
π Measure: Buzz audible, lights on. Record 20 s of Trident ch 2 and ch 1 into Pro Tools; gain and fader untouched all session. Note peak level
β Read: Every later better / worse is read off this
1Phantom auditβ±οΈ 5 min
π Measure: Photograph phantom on 1, 2, 16, 20 (Trident, SQ-7 page, GX LEDs). SQ-7 phantom off for 2 / 20: a lit GX PP LED proves Trident phantom arrives through the split. Then all phantom off on the four channels, wait 30 s, record
β Read: Gone = branch C (C1, C3, C4). Unchanged = C1 to C4 dead; leave phantom off
2Battery recorder at the far endβ±οΈ 5 min
π Measure: Catapult out 2 from GX input 2 into a battery recorder, phantom off, nothing else plugged in, hands off. Listen on Trident ch 2
β Read: Gone = ground loop confirmed, pickup dead. Stays = the pair picks it up: rerun a spare Cat6 on a different route
3Meter the grounds, lights on and offβ±οΈ 10 min
π Measure: AC V GX chassis to Trident chassis, meter alone then with 10 kΞ© across the leads. AC V outlet ground pin to cold-water pipe or service panel. AC V N-G at the GX and Trident PSU outlets
β Read: Under 50 mV chassis-to-chassis = too small. Collapses under 10 kΞ© = high-impedance float. Holds and rises with lights = load current on ground. Outlet ground over 1 V from the pipe = open IG confirmed
4Temporary 12 AWG bondβ±οΈ 3 min
π Measure: Clip 12 AWG from GX chassis to Trident chassis, listen, record. Repeat the body-position check
β Read: Sharp drop = driver confirmed, safe interim. Unchanged = move the clip to the Catapult rack, then the Furman rack
5Clear the wall panelβ±οΈ 2 min
π Measure: Unplug tie line 2 from the mix-room Catapult input
β Read: Unchanged = B7 dead
5bLeg-balance ohmsβ±οΈ 10 min
π Measure: Power off. Ohms pin 2 to pin 1 and pin 3 to pin 1 on hand-wired 2, 20 and control 1; end-to-end pin 2 vs pin 3. GX inputs 1, 2, 16, 20 off and empty: legs match within about 1%. Same at Trident 2 and 20
β Read: Anything but open (OL) = a leak. A leg off its partner = the part
6Locate the converterβ±οΈ 3 Γ under 10 min
π Measure: 6a: QSC in place of the Trident ch 2 feed. 6b: Catapult out 2 into GX in 1, out 1 into GX in 2. 6c: mic-closet Cat6 bank 1-4 into the 5-8 jack, XLR 6 into GX in 2
β Read: 6a buzz = Trident not needed. 6b buzz moves to ch 1 = GX input 2. 6c gone = mic-closet position 2 hardware
7Strip the GX groundsβ±οΈ 5 min
π Measure: Mute PA. Unplug all 16 GX output XLRs, then the GX IEC cord
β Read: Gone with outputs out = aux loads are the GX end of the loop
8Hunt the residual, lights offβ±οΈ 10 min
π Measure: 60 s each, recorded: Hear Back and NAS cables at the lighting PoE switch; Mix Room Lorex camera Ethernet, then NVR; other Ethernet into the mic-closet rack; audio into the PTZ camera; ISP cable and any coax; HVAC off; PSM900s off
β Read: The one that drops the residual is the second driver
9SQ-7 networkβ±οΈ 1 min
π Measure: Pull the SQ-7 network cable (on the lighting PoE switch in 2025)
β Read: Expected no change; leave it out until the SQ-7 has its own switch
10Transformer isolation on ch 2β±οΈ 5 min
π Measure: 1:1 mic-level iso transformer between Catapult out 2 and GX in 2 (a passive DI backwards, lift engaged, is a crude stand-in)
β Read: Gone = common-mode mechanism confirmed and the RX4M fix proven
π§ The fix: transformers on the closet leg, grounds bonded to service
π§ RX4M transformer modules on the mic-closet leg end the loop for every channel. In parallel, the electrician bonds the IG bus and the lighting transformer's secondary to the service ground.
π The same two-channel shape since the first week of the install

π What changed since v1 (9 items)
- π A&H GX input fault drops to rank 9: it needs two separate faults, and the bad channels move over time 05 Β§5
- π Trident phantom on for 2 / 20 is now rank 2, a 30-second test 05 Β§5
- π Hand-wired screw terminals from the Oct 2024 install enter at rank 3 (Thai: “Snip, strip to bare wire, insert into connector and screw down”) 07 chat.db 1321
- π The two-channel buzz dates to Oct 2024, on channels 9 and 10, one week after install 07 chat.db 71841
- π Internet is Frontier fiber, which carries no shield: the modem / coax loop falls to low unless a coax service is still connected 07 item 11
- π Ch 16 and ch 20 share a Catapult pair position, so the twist-rate theory is dead 06 Β§2, 05 B8
- π Why the bad channels moved (9 and 10 in Oct 2024, then 2, 20, 22 in 2026): a connection wearing at one physical spot, or a phantom setting, fits. Relabeling does not, because the count grew from two to three. Phantom hot-patched through the split can itself damage one input leg, which then stays bad 05 Β§8.2
- π Weak pattern, worth one check (low confidence): channels 2, 10 and 22 all sit on the blue 4-5 pair, position 2 of their banks, about a 1-in-10 chance by accident. Ch 20 does not fit 05 Β§8.2, 06 1.1
- π Radial specifies TX4M/RX4M transformer modules for a mic split between two mixers; TRC's split is a passive Y 06 1.7
π Every buzz and ground complaint since install
- InstallIntermittent buzz since setup; crew pressed ground switches until it worked
- 2024-05-24Inspector: some outlets had no ground
- 2024-09RodCo proposes an isolation transformer for the stage-light distro; never installed
- 2025-08-29Mix Room clients: buzz on different channels, low hum, unusable channels
- 2025-10-23Livestream buzz; Alex: “almost certainly the lights”
- 2025-12-01Lobby speaker buzz after Farzad's crew
- 2026-01-22Every Live Room outlet open ground; QSC sub broken again
- ~2026-03-16Channels 2, 20, 22 down / crossing; Catapult bypass cleared ch 2
- 2026-06-01Omni piano buzz fixed by a DI ground lift
- 2026-06-22Noise on the stage-right snake; ports and cables swapped
- 2026-08-03Handoff: loud buzz with 48 V on Live Room mic lines; high noise floor in all rooms
- 2026-09-04Rehearsal room hum from loose cables; Apollo on the TV's power
- 2026-09-09Greg: Live Room buzz on a few channels; lighting breaker off at night
- 2026-09-12Ch 26 buzz on the Trident
- 2026-09-21Elijah: both mixers clean direct in; the loop appears when both sides are on
- 2026-09-25Ch 2 and 20 buzz; needs the Cat6 link and the ch 2 XLR into the GX
π§ͺ 8 of 48 hypotheses fit all 12 observations, and every one is a per-channel converter (B1, B2, B3, B4, B6, B7, B9, B12)
π swipe for all 12 observations
| ID | Hypothesis | O1 | O2 | O3 | O4 | O5 | O6 | O7 | O8 | O9 | O10 | O11 | O12 | Fit | Tie-break | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| A1 | Open IG ground, racks float apart | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | F | F | F | F | 11 | +1 (S7) | 12 |
| A2 | Chassis float through EMI filter Y-caps | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | F | F | F | F | 11 | +2 (S7, S13) | 13 |
| A3 | ISP entrance ground (Frontier fiber ONT, Cat5e from electrical room to office; cable coax unconfirmed) | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | F | 8 | -1 (fiber carries no shield) | 7 |
| A4 | Lorex PoE: Mix Room camera near the sub, NVR in office, relays in electrical closet | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | F | 8 | +1 (camera in mix room, [07] item 10) | 9 |
| A5 | Network switch ties SQ-7 network port to the ISP ground | F | F | F | X | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | N | 4 | 0 | 4 |
| A6 | Lighting LED drivers and dimmers leak into the ground system | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | F | 8 | 0 | 8 |
| A7 | HVAC compressor or drive | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | N | 7 | 0 | 7 |
| A8 | Subs on their own wall outlets tie the GX chassis via its aux out | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | F | N | N | N | 8 | 0 | 8 |
| A9 | Furman-fed Crown amp and PSM900s tie the GX chassis via aux outs | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | F | N | N | N | 8 | 0 | 8 |
| A10 | Missing-neutral or bootleg-ground circuits (Farzad: "rest of the building is unknown") | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | F | 8 | +1 ([07] item 7) | 9 |
| A11 | Neutral-to-ground bond downstream, in the Outdoor / Stage Lights subpanel | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | F | 8 | +1 (no neutral there until Nov 2025) | 9 |
| A12 | 3-phase distro on two of three phases: uncancelled neutral current and harmonics | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | F | 8 | +1 ([07] item 4) | 9 |
| A13 | Stage-lighting load raises the shared panel's neutral | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | F | 8 | +1 (RodCo confirms shared panel) | 9 |
| A14 | Trident PSU Star Ground Link state sets the mix-room reference | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | N | 7 | 0 | 7 |
| A15 | SQ-7 network port on the lighting / camera PoE switch | F | F | F | X | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | F | 5 | +1 (documented May 2025) | 6 |
| A16 | GX or other mic-closet gear on the lighting / camera PoE switch through a mic-closet drop | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | F | 8 | -1 (drop only proposed) | 7 |
| A17 | Hear Back hub and NAS on the lighting PoE switch bond the mix-room rack to the lighting ground | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | F | 8 | +1 ([07] chat.db 17776) | 9 |
| A18 | Console-to-PTZ-camera audio feed (1/4 inch to 1/8 inch, unbalanced) | F | F | F | X | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | F | 5 | 0 (existence unknown) | 5 |
| A19 | Lighting power transformer secondary unbonded, or bonded into the IG / audio ground | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | N | N | F | 8 | +1 ([07] item 6) | 9 |
| B1 | GX input 2 / 20 passive network asymmetry (phantom resistor, RF cap, clamp) | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | 12 | -4 (S1, S3, S9 -1 each; two faults -2; S10 +1) | 8 |
| B2 | Mic-closet Catapult position 2 / 20 (solder, XLR contact, corrosion) | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | 12 | +1 (S1, S3, S5, S10 +1 each; two faults -2; S9 -1) | 13 |
| B3 | Mix-room Catapult position 2 / 20 (split or receive unit) | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | 12 | +1 (as B2) | 13 |
| B4 | Trident input 2 / 20 imbalance | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | 12 | 0 (S1, S3, S10 +1; two faults -2; S9 -1) | 12 |
| B5 | Pin-1-to-shell short or pin swap on the XLR patch at the GX | F | F | F | F | X | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | 9 | 0 | 9 |
| B6 | DPA multipin pin fault on 2 / 20 (Trident side) | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | 12 | 0 (as B4) | 12 |
| B7 | Wall-panel tie-line leg leaking to the grounded panel box or conduit | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | 12 | 0 (as B4) | 12 |
| B8 | Cat6 pair assignment: 2 and 20 on a looser-twist pair | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | X | N | N | F | F | 7 | -1 (S12: twist-per-colour premise false) | 6 |
| B9 | RJ45 jack contact damage inside a Catapult (high resistance on one leg) | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | 12 | 0 (as B4) | 12 |
| B10 | Split pair in field termination (floor box, keystone, hand crimp) | F | F | F | F | F | X | F | F | F | N | F | F | 8 | +1 (S11) | 9 |
| B11 | Pin-map mismatch or internal miswire between Catapult units | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | N | F | F | 11 | -1 (S12: one pin map for all modules) | 10 |
| B12 | Hand-wired screw-terminal terminations on 2 / 20 (leg leaking to shield, loose screw, stray strand) | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | 12 | +4 (S1, S3, S9, S10, S11 +1 each; several faults -1) | 16 |
| C1 | Trident phantom on for 2 / 20, off for 1 / 16 | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | N | F | F | 11 | +6 (S1, S3, S4, S6, S9, S13) | 17 |
| C2 | SQ-7 / GX phantom on for 2 / 20 | F | F | X | N | F | F | F | F | F | N | F | F | 7 | +1 (S4) | 8 |
| C3 | Trident phantom back-feeds an unpowered GX input through its clamp diodes | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | N | F | F | 11 | +1 (S4) | 12 |
| C4 | Trident phantom-rail ripple, drawn out by the GX input load | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | N | F | N | 10 | +1 (S4) | 11 |
| D1 | Magnetic pickup on the Cat6 route (lighting feeders, LED wall) | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | X | F | F | 8 | 0 | 8 |
| D2 | Electric-field pickup from lighting cabling | F | X | F | F | F | F | F | P | N | F | N | F | 7 | 0 | 7 |
| D3 | Cat6 unshielded or shield open, so no pin-1 bond between rooms | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | F | F | F | F | 11 | 0 | 11 |
| D4 | A high-impedance floating node on the ch 2 path (body effect) | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | P | F | F | F | F | 11 | 0 | 11 |
| D5 | RF demodulation (PSM900, Wi-Fi, cellular) at an imbalanced input | F | F | N | F | F | F | F | P | F | F | N | N | 8 | 0 | 8 |
| D6 | Shield-current-induced noise in foil-and-drain STP | F | X | F | F | F | F | F | N | F | N | X | F | 4 | 0 | 4 |
| E1 | GX4816 active input-board fault | F | F | X | F | F | F | X | F | F | F | N | N | 4 | -1 (S3) | 3 |
| E2 | SQ-7 fault | F | F | X | X | F | F | X | F | N | N | N | N | -1 | 0 | -1 |
| E3 | Whole Catapult unit fault (all channels of a bank) | F | F | F | F | F | F | F | X | F | N | N | F | 7 | 0 | 7 |
| F1 | Channel numbering or label mismatch; unrecorded channels in P13, P15, T15 | n/a: not scored | n/a | n/a | ||||||||||||
| F2 | Bank-level cause (cable, shield, lift, RJ45 as a whole) | F | F | F | F | F | X | F | X | N | N | X | F | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| F3 | "16 and 20 same route" means same 12-channel unit, not same bank | n/a: not scored | n/a | n/a | ||||||||||||
| F4 | Listening-method artifact (iPhone Live Listen by ear; "decreased" unquantified) | n/a: not scored | n/a | n/a | ||||||||||||
O1 to O12 are the 12 key observations; O12 is the lights-off test. Score: F +1, N and P 0, X -2, plus tie-breaks.
π· Tonight's photos of the GX4816 and mic-closet Catapults






π v1 record from the evening: the 33 tests, reversals, questions for Elijah
π The buzz lives on the mic-closet leg; the Trident leg tests clean
- π Two legs from one split. The mix-room Catapult feeds the Trident and, over Cat6, the mic-closet Catapult and the GX4816.
- π The Catapult is passive. One twisted pair per channel, pin 1 on the Cat6 shield. The ground lift only lifts pin 1.
- π A GX input is never open. Even powered off, pins 2 and 3 reach the GX chassis through the 6.8 kΞ© phantom resistors, RF caps and clamps.
- π Two grounds, one pair. The voltage between the rooms drives current down the pair. An imbalance on 2 and 20 turns it into buzz.
- π Monitoring point. Amps by the Trident, all monitors, solo master, Greg's iPhone Live Listen.
β±οΈ 33 tests between 20:22 and 22:04 PDT ended at “I'm stumped”
T1 Β· 20:22Amps and monitors on, all monitors, solo masterch 2β buzz
“So, yeah, that's clear that that's bad.”
T2 Β· 20:29Pull the Ethernet at the back of the mic-closet Catapultch 2βΌ gone when removed
“if you unplug channel two here, that stopped it. / Completely? Completely. No buzz.”
T3 Β· 20:30Pull a second item on the ch 2 path into the GX (not named)ch 2βΌ gone when removed
“That also stopped it.”
T4 Β· 20:30Pull the SLink Ethernet, GX to SQ-7ch 2? unclear
“That did not stop it when I unplugged that. / That did stop it.”
T5 Β· 20:31SQ-7 powered offch 2β buzz
“This is off, and that didn't take it up.”
T6 Β· 20:31GX4816 power removed entirelych 2β buzz
“To power out entirely, the buzz is still there. But if I take this out, the buzz goes away.”
T7 Β· 20:32Check whether GX aux outputs hit ch 2ch -- n/a
“These are auxes. So these are for PAs and in ears and monitors.”
T8 Β· 20:33Swap the XLR patch, Catapult to GX ch 2, for another mic cablech 2β buzz
“It's still there. Still buzz? Yeah. So it's not this cable.”
T9 Β· 20:35Unplug GX aux output cables one at a timech 2β buzz
“none of them fully did it. Some of them had a minor effect on it, but it was an inconsistent effect.”
T10 Β· 20:37Same pull test on ch 20ch 20βΌ gone when removed
“Does it still go away? Makes it go away.”
T11 Β· 20:39Pull a patch: wrong one first, then ch 2. Hiss and buzz heardch 2βΌ gone when removed
“There's a hiss and a buzz. When I take this out, the buzz goes away.”
T12 Β· 20:39Plug the ch 2 patch back inch 2β buzz
“Because I've plugged that back in and now it's there.”
T13 Β· 20:40GX off and SLink out togetherch 2β buzz
“Which means it's neither the connection to the SQ7 nor the power.”
T14 Β· 20:41Touch the box and connectorsch 2β buzz
“Still there? It's still there.”
T15 Β· 20:43Move the Ethernet between Catapult ports so the channels changech 2? unclear
“That did fix it ... that actually would mean that it is the Ethernet.”
T16 Β· 20:46First Ethernet tester on several cables: pin readings jump aroundch -? unclear
“this tester must be busted”
T17 Β· 21:05Plan an end-to-end loop test with a couplerch -- n/a
“We just need a coupler, and we need to get a long Ethernet cable around back around in the loop”
T18 Β· 21:06Second tester on the original Cat6ch -β clean
“I'm getting green on all of them. So, the Ethernet's okay.”
T19 Β· 21:11Unplug GX inputs 1 and 3 to 8, keep 2ch 2β buzz
“try three 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Okay, so no.”
T20 Β· 21:14Unplug the rest of the GX one by one, power, SQ-7 offch 2β buzz
“The only thing is this and this and the Ethernet.”
T21 Β· 21:17Inspect the rack; buzz louder with Greg's body closech 2β buzz
“it's worse when I'm here. I hear like a big buzz there.”
T22 Β· 21:20Proposed snake cable test, declined as donech -- n/a
“we did test a different XLR. It was doing the same thing.”
T23 Β· 21:21Ch 20 pull test repeatedch 20βΌ gone when removed
“Yeah, 20 does the same.”
T24 Β· 21:24Ch 20: Ethernet out vs XLR outch 20βΌ gone when removed
“Just taking the Ethernet cable out cuts the buzz entirely ... Taking out channel 20 ... Very late [light] buzz”
T25 Β· 21:26SQ-7 on, SLink Ethernet outch 2β buzz
“when we unplugged the S-Link stuff, that Ethernet, it didn't cut the buzz.”
T26 Β· 21:27Phantom power on ch 2 switched offch 2? unclear
“Oh, that's cut that off, phantom.”
T27 Β· 21:27Compare 2 and 20; lower gain on 20ch 20β buzz
“This actually has less gain. Did that do anything? No.”
T28 Β· 21:35Source straight into GX ch 2, Catapult bypassedch 2β clean
“direct into this into that into there, clean.”
T29 Β· 21:43Find and run the unused silver Cat6 between Catapultsch 2- n/a
“Okay, it's plugged in.”
T30 Β· 21:51Listen through the new cablech 2 / 1β buzz
“Clean. / Oh, it's not Clean. ... What about channel one? Very clean.”
T31 Β· 21:52Reasoning on the new cablech 2β buzz
“that would be too random for that to cause the same problem on the same channel.”
T32 Β· 21:59Pull the new Ethernetch 2βΌ gone when removed
“Did you did this cable fix it? Oh, no.”
T33 Β· 22:04Plan: everything electrical off, original Ethernet back inch 2Β· not tested
“turn just turn everything off and see if the buzz goes away.”
π Reported before Greg arrived: P0 to P15
P0 Β· Since installBuzz present since the beginning of the installationβ buzz
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P1 Β· Last weekMix room and Trident tested alone by Elijah with Oliverβ clean
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P2 Β· Before 20:04Two-hour routing test in the Live Room with Thomas; details inaudible? unclear
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P3 Β· Before 20:14Two DPA snakes, new and installed, Catapult to Tridentβ clean
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P4 Β· Before 20:14SM57 on Mogami into Catapult out ch 2, into Tridentβ clean
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P5 Β· Before 20:14Panel to Catapult to Tridentβ clean
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P6 Β· Before 20:14Mic into panel, Catapult bypassed, into a QSCβ clean
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P7 Β· Before 20:14Straight into the SQ-7 / GX, Catapult bypassedβ clean
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P8 Β· Before 20:14No microphone connectedβ buzz
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P9 Β· Before 20:14Ethernet between the two Catapults unpluggedβΌ gone when removed
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P10 Β· Before 20:14Catapult ground lifts pushed inβ buzz
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P11 Β· Before 20:14Channel survey: 2 and 20 bad, 16 cleanestβ buzz
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P12 Β· Before 20:14Route comparison: 1 and 16 clean, 2 and 20 dirtyβ buzz
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P13 Β· Before 20:14Speaker directly on an A&H channel (connection point unknown)β buzz
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P14 Β· Before 20:14Mix-room Catapult out to a QSCβ clean
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
P15 Β· Before 20:14Mic-closet Catapult out to a QSC at line level, A&H out of the path; Ethernet pulledβ buzz
Reported to Greg on arrival, not witnessed tonight.
π Eight calls flipped or fell apart within the evening
- π¬ Greg, 20:05: bad hand crimps, re-crimp the headsβπ 21:06: original Cat6 all pins green (T18). 21:52: a new cable still buzzes
- π¬ Elijah, 20:37: “It's that Ethernet. It's the Cat 6.”βπ 21:08: “So, the Ethernet's okay.”
- π¬ Greg, 20:39 to 20:42: “It's something about this in this box that is wrong.”βπ 21:38: “Okay, then it's not the Allen and Heath.”
- π¬ Greg, 20:45: “that actually would mean that it is the Ethernet”βπ 21:08: Ethernet okay on the second tester
- π¬ Greg, 21:32: A&H email, the only culprit is “these two specific channels on the Alan and Heath”βπ 21:34: “that nullifies my hypothesis”
- π¬ Elijah, 21:40: “I think the catapult's clean”βπ Next line: “the catapult's dirty” (P15)
- π¬ Greg, earlier: no to a new Cat6 between Catapultsβπ 21:42: “I think you're right. We do need to try that.” It did not fix ch 2
- π¬ Greg, 21:34: bypass test clears the GXβπ Diagnosis: premature. It shows GX input 2 quiet with one ground, not with two
π§ One mechanism explains all ten observations
| Observation | Why it fits |
|---|---|
| GX off, SLink out, SQ off, buzz stays | The passive phantom network still connects pins 2/3 to chassis |
| XLR into GX input 2 pulled, buzz gone | Removes the only chassis connection on that pair |
| Cat6 pulled, buzz gone | Removes the pair from the mic closet entirely |
| New Cat6 and new XLR, buzz stays | The imbalance is not in a cable |
| Direct into GX input 2, clean | A mic floats: no second ground, no common-mode drive |
| Catapult ground lift, no change | The lift breaks pin 1 only; the path is pins 2 and 3 |
| GX aux outputs change it | Every aux load is another grounded device shifting the GX chassis potential |
| Body near the rack makes it worse | An unbalanced node picks up electrostatic mains fields |
| Ch 20 XLR pulled leaves a residue | Ch 20 shares its Cat6 with three channels still tied to the GX |
| Catapult direct to QSC buzzes (P15) | A powered monitor is a second grounded device, like the GX |
- π 2026-01-22 and 2026-08-03Every orange IG outlet tested reads open ground; neutral-to-ground floats 30 to 60 V
- π Documented wiringGX outputs feed the Crown amp on the Furman, PSM900 in-ears, and subs on their own outlets: the GX chassis stays tied to ground with its cord pulled
- π ~2026-03-16Channels 2, 20 and 22 logged down / crossing; bypassing the Catapult cleared ch 2 then too
- π 2026-08-03Handoff: loud buzz when 48 V phantom is engaged, mostly on Live Room mic lines
- π At installCrew pressed Catapult ground switches until it worked; lift positions never recorded
- π DocumentedLights and audio share a panel; Lutron dimmers on control-room and iso-room track lights
- π 2026-09-12Trident ch 26 reported buzzing; not retested tonight. Trident Star Ground Link state unrecorded
π― GX input vs Catapult channel is a coin flip; the ground difference is near certain
β οΈ v1 ranking from 20:00 to 22:05. Superseded by the v3 line-up above.
C1 Imbalance inside GX4816 inputs 2 and 20
Confidence: moderateMatched phantom resistors; a hot-patch with phantom on or a static event takes one out. Phantom LEDs look lit on some inputs in rows 1 and 2
C2 Imbalance in the mic-closet Catapult, channels 2 / 20
Confidence: moderateSame symptom, different box. The swap test separates C1 from C2
C3 Ground potential difference drives every case
Confidence: highHigh that it exists, given the open IG ground. Bonding the IG bus to service ground lowers the whole floor
C4 Phantom from two consoles on one line
Confidence: low-moderate48 V pushed through the passive split into the other console's input network. Untested (T26 result missing)
C5 Split pair in the Cat6 termination
Confidence: lowExplains one channel but not surviving a full cable swap
C6 A specific noise load
Confidence: unknownLED drivers, dimmers, Lorex camera PoE switch, PA amps on the GX auxes, HVAC. The all-off test (T33) never ran
β v1 test list: seven short tests, now folded into the v3 tree
- D1Swap testβ±οΈ under 10 min
Mic-closet Catapult out 2 into GX input 1, Catapult out 1 into GX input 2. Repeat with 20 and 16
β Buzz follows GX input 2 = GX input is the asymmetric part. Buzz stays on Trident ch 2 = asymmetry is upstream in the Catapult path
Before (tonight) After the swap π Buzz moves to Trident ch 1 = GX input 2 is the fault. Replacement or A&H repair is justifiedπ Buzz stays on Trident ch 2 = the fault is upstream, in the Catapult pathπ Then repeat with 20 and 16 - D2Second grounded deviceβ±οΈ under 10 min
Catapult out 2 into a known-good grounded input (QSC or a spare preamp) instead of the GX
β Buzz = Catapult / pair side. No buzz = GX input
- D3Meter the groundsβ±οΈ under 10 min
AC volts GX chassis to Trident chassis (long wire to the DMM), and between ground pins of the two racks' outlets, lights and HVAC on and off
β Above about 50 mV AC = a ground difference worth killing
- D4Temporary bondβ±οΈ under 10 min
Heavy wire (12 AWG) between the mic-closet rack and the Trident chassis
β Buzz drops = ground difference confirmed; RX4M modules in the mic closet end the loop, and the IG bus bond lowers the voltage building-wide
- D5Phantom auditβ±οΈ under 10 min
Read phantom on the Trident, SQ-7 and GX LEDs for 1, 2, 16, 20. Turn all four off and listen
β Shows whether C4 is in play
- D6All-off test (T33)β±οΈ under 10 min
Original Cat6 in, buzz audible, kill circuits one at a time: lighting, HVAC, PA amps, camera / network switch
β The circuit that silences it names the noise source
- D7Isolate the splitβ±οΈ under 10 min
Mic-level 1:1 isolation transformer on ch 2 between Catapult out and GX in (Radial TX4M/RX4M or an inline iso)
β Buzz gone = permanent fix: transformer-isolated modules in the mic closet
β Ten questions for Greg and Elijah close the gaps
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